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QE2 after Dubai
« on: Feb 01, 2018, 02:54 AM »
School's out, homework's done, next topic.

When QE2 is done with her time in Dubai, what do you suppose could happen to her from there?

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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #1 on: Feb 01, 2018, 03:13 AM »
School's out, homework's done, next topic.

When QE2 is done with her time in Dubai, what do you suppose could happen to her from there?

Scrap, Dubai is her permanent home now and if it doesn't work out she'll be towed off for scrap. All things well she will be in Dubai like Queen Mary is in Long Beach (a very long time).
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 01, 2018, 04:29 AM »
Scrap, Dubai is her permanent home now and if it doesn't work out she'll be towed off for scrap. All things well she will be in Dubai like Queen Mary is in Long Beach (a very long time).

That better not happen; I was thinking she could return to Southampton and serve as some sort of complex; something like a Cunard head office, museum, (maybe) hotel, and even a meeting place for this Forum. But she BETTER NOT be scrapped.

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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #3 on: Feb 01, 2018, 07:14 AM »
Kevin,if Dubai fails the most likely option is to scrap her.

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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #4 on: Feb 01, 2018, 12:54 PM »
Kevin,if Dubai fails the most likely option is to scrap her.

I know. :'(

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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #5 on: Feb 01, 2018, 08:39 PM »
That better not happen; I was thinking she could return to Southampton and serve as some sort of complex; something like a Cunard head office, museum, (maybe) hotel, and even a meeting place for this Forum. But she BETTER NOT be scrapped.

Unfortunately she will never return to the UK and certainly won't with Carnival UK's (Cunard's owners) involvement. Economic and practical reasons, among others, override sentiment too unfortunately and we have to be realistic despite our passion for the ship.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 01, 2018, 08:58 PM »
Unfortunately she will never return to the UK and certainly won't with Carnival UK's (Cunard's owners) involvement. Economic and practical reasons, among others, override sentiment too unfortunately and we have to be realistic despite our passion for the ship.

Ay, my friend. Apparently the phrase "the truth hurts" really has meaning in real life.

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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #7 on: Feb 01, 2018, 09:16 PM »
Unfortunately she will never return to the UK and certainly won't with Carnival UK's (Cunard's owners) involvement. Economic and practical reasons, among others, override sentiment too unfortunately and we have to be realistic despite our passion for the ship.

The cost of retrieving her is the killer reason. Lots of millions of pounds would be required simply to bring her home.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 01, 2018, 09:47 PM »
The cost of retrieving her is the killer reason. Lots of millions of pounds would be required simply to bring her home.
And then there is always the risk she breaks free and suffers a similar fate to American Star or TS Bremen if a tow was even attempted, she's stuck in Dubai permanently just as Queen Mary is Long Beach bound.
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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #9 on: Feb 01, 2018, 10:57 PM »
And then there is always the risk she breaks free and suffers a similar fate to American Star or TS Bremen if a tow was even attempted

That's be devastating. And looking at either scrap or this, I can't say which is worse.

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« Reply #10 on: Feb 01, 2018, 11:36 PM »
I want her to be like Canberra. Rammed full 30 knots into the beach.
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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #11 on: Feb 02, 2018, 12:13 AM »
I want her to be like Canberra. Rammed full 30 knots into the beach.

She'd be beached after being under tow like SS Norway and others have been, sometimes the towing tug is also due to be scrapped from what I've seen in the past. She will never be under her own power again. More like a 5/6 knot beaching. Anyway I wouldn't want to see her cut up and hope that doesn't happen for many, many years or dare I say at all (think HMS Victory for example).

On a sidenote, Canberra didn't get very far up the "beach" due to her draft (despite her approach speed) and was left by her last crew some distance from the shore. This and her solid construction caused major problems for the local company who scrapped her (taking much longer than usual for example) at Gadani in Pakistan.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 02, 2018, 12:15 AM »
She'd be beached after being under tow like SS Norway and others have been, sometimes the towing tug is also due to be scrapped from what I've seen in the past. She will never be under her own power again. More like a 5/6 knot beaching. Anyway I wouldn't want to see her cut up and hope that doesn't happen for many, many years or dare I say at all (think HMS Victory for example).

On a sidenote, Canberra didn't get very far up the "beach" due to her draft (despite her approach speed) and was left by her last crew some distance from the shore. This and her solid construction caused major problems for the local company who scrapped her (taking much longer than usual for example) at Gadani in Pakistan.

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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #13 on: Feb 02, 2018, 10:16 AM »
She'd be beached after being under tow like SS Norway and others have been, sometimes the towing tug is also due to be scrapped from what I've seen in the past. She will never be under her own power again. More like a 5/6 knot beaching. Anyway I wouldn't want to see her cut up and hope that doesn't happen for many, many years or dare I say at all (think HMS Victory for example).

On a sidenote, Canberra didn't get very far up the "beach" due to her draft (despite her approach speed) and was left by her last crew some distance from the shore. This and her solid construction caused major problems for the local company who scrapped her (taking much longer than usual for example) at Gadani in Pakistan.

I think that you'll find that there is only a small % of HMS Victory - probably 30/35% - that is original. It is constantly being worked on and parts replaced.
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Re: QE2 after Dubai
« Reply #14 on: Feb 02, 2018, 02:30 PM »
And then there is always the risk she breaks free and suffers a similar fate to American Star or TS Bremen if a tow was even attempted, she's stuck in Dubai permanently just as Queen Mary is Long Beach bound.

It is not out of the question that QE2 could be moved by using a heavy lift vessel.  There is one out there now that could handle her.  A tow would just be way too risky.
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