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Offline Louis De Sousa

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Re: QE2 in white/grey
« Reply #15 on: Jun 03, 2009, 03:13 PM »
Here ship does not look that white :(

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Re: QE2 in white/grey
« Reply #16 on: Jun 03, 2009, 05:43 PM »
i have to admit I never understood why there was the color scheme change and from few photos I saw, never much liked it.  While viewing eBay, I saw this listing for postcards for the Vistaford and then it hit me that the color scheme was not so foreign after all. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=180362189951

The waterline is at least white on this "baby" QE2.  I know that Commodore Warwick lamented that he had to convince himself to like the color scheme and stated that it proved difficult to maintain and actually areas came off during transatlantics. 
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Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #17 on: Sep 23, 2009, 02:33 PM »
Check this out

https://www.flickr.com/photos/23749486@N05/3939548232/

Look at it full size.

What a MESS!!  Rust EVERYWHERE, out of each and every porthole.  No wonder they reverted so fast.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/23749486@N05/3939822840/

Must have actually been quite embarassing for everybody involved in this stupid idea!
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Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #18 on: Sep 23, 2009, 03:29 PM »
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PEBBLE GREY HULL
AUGUST 1982 – JUNE 1983


Upon her return to service after her service in the Falklands, the most noticeable ‘change’ by far was the external colour scheme of QE2. Amazingly, the ‘new look’ was on the instruction of Cunard’s Chairman Lord Matthews who had been given the ideas by his wife!! The goal being to give the ‘new’ QE2 a symbolic and exciting appearance.

Hull

• The dark-grey hull was repainted in a light pebble grey that was almost white. The boot-topping remained red.

• The ship’s name and homeport on the bow and stern were painted black.

Funnel

• For the first time, the funnel was redone in the traditional Cunard red with two black bands. Each black band was eight-inches thick (made up of two four-inch strips of tape). Soon after QE2 had re-entered service, the tape was soon flapping about in the breeze!

According to Cunard: “The new colours of the ship, both inside and out, reflect the new spirit of QE2 and her crew while respecting a tradition of luxury and service…symbolic of the lighter, more contemporary flair of QE2…The painting of the funnel in traditional Cunard red and black is to emphasise Queen Elizabeth 2’s continued dedication to the high standards set by her predecessors”.

Red Stripe

The original plan called for a broad red stripe to be painted around the hull – a job that was to have been undertaken in Hong Kong in March 1983 during QE2’s Circle Pacific Cruise. This was never done as the decision to return QE2’s hull to charcoal grey in the next scheduled dry-docking had been made by then

Reaction to the New Scheme

According to noted maritime historian John Maxtone-Graham, 'Liners to the Sun': “I had reservations about it; although putting the company’s colours up on the funnel was long overdue, the pale grey hull seemed a mistake. From a distance, it read white and was not flattering. The Sidney Greenstreet principle was at work: a fat man in a white suit looks fatter. The QE2’s light-coloured hull sprawled and, worse, showed its middle age”.

Experience with the New Scheme

The new pale-grey coloured-hull of QE2 soon proved to be unpractical as well as unpopular. The grey was terribly difficult to maintain in a pristine form and no matter how careful the tugs in ports were, QE2 always lost some of her paint or obtained scuff marks from tugs nudging bows. Evidence of close contact with dockside fenders also always showed. The light colour also always displayed unsightly streaks of rust dribbling down the vessel’s sides from portholes and hawse pipes.

Her external appearance as she circled the Pacific during her 1983 World Cruise drew many criticisms. The fact that this voyage was subject to a ‘Whicker’s World’ documentary by Alan Whicker drove home the poor external condition of the ship when broadcast. A full stem-to-stern clean-up was undertaken halfway during the voyage in Hong Kong.

Back to Black

After a reasonable trail period it was decided by Cunard to return the hull colour to the original colouring during  QE2’s scheduled dry-docking at the end of 1983. However the repainting was done earlier during emergency repairs to QE2’s turbines in Southampton between 10 and 27 June 1983.

Hull

• Repainted in the original charcoal grey.

• The ship’s name and homeport on the stern were re-painted white due to the new hull colour.

Funnel

• The Cunard-coloured red funnel remained.

Superstructure      

• The khaki painted superstructure on Boat Deck behind the lifeboats and underneath the Bridge was re-painted white for the first time.

From June 1983 QE2 she then wore the traditional colours of the old Cunard ships and more than ever deserved, through livery and [war] action, the title of Queen.
« Last Edit: Apr 13, 2010, 12:40 AM by Rob Lightbody »

Online Bob C.

Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #19 on: Sep 23, 2009, 05:11 PM »
This accounting is great, Flagship.  Question for you though; you said there was to be a large red stripe around the hull.  Where exactly was this to go?


Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #20 on: Sep 23, 2009, 06:32 PM »
Thanks Bob. The stripe was to divide the new pebble gray with the whiter superstructure (between Four and Three Decks). I think it would have looked quite smart. As I say, it was to have done in Hong Kiong but the decision to return the ship to federal gray (a 'colour' I've never understood) had been taken by then. Michael

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Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #21 on: Sep 23, 2009, 06:42 PM »

What a MESS!!  Rust EVERYWHERE, out of each and every porthole.  No wonder they reverted so fast.

And this after just a few months of the light coloured paint...

I wonder whether she always creates rust at this speed, and whether this is this simply not so visible on the darker paint?

If so, does this, over the course of the years, weaken the very structure of the ship herself or her portholes? Or does she have such a huge amount of redundancy in her hull that this amount of rust leaking out is entirely without significance, except as detracting from her beauty?

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #22 on: Sep 23, 2009, 08:03 PM »
Sorry - meant to say between Three and two Decks... :-[

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Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #23 on: Sep 23, 2009, 08:47 PM »
Flagship, I took the liberty of touching up CunardQueen's photo posted above to show what a red strip would have looked like.  I have to admit that I am glad they did not go through with it.

« Last Edit: Sep 23, 2009, 10:44 PM by Bob C. »

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #24 on: Sep 24, 2009, 07:29 AM »
Now I don't mind that!!! :o

Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #25 on: Sep 24, 2009, 08:14 AM »
Bob - It looks much better!
When you mentioned a 'broad' stripe, "Flagship", was it meant to be even wider than Bob's image?

Would you have expected her to be flying the Cunard flag on her bow staff here...?
« Last Edit: Sep 24, 2009, 08:18 AM by Twynkle »

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Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #26 on: Dec 18, 2009, 12:01 AM »
I have some photos of her myself in this colour scheme which I will try to find and post up.  They were taken in July / August 1982 from Fort Victoria.  But unfortunately, if I recall right, it was somewhat misty on that day so they might not scan very well.  Mist and grey ships are not an easily photographed combination!

Around the time she appeared in those colours, I recall one wag in a newspaper printing a remark that went along the lines of it being typical - she goes to the Falklands and when she comes back, that's when they paint her in battleship grey...

Now, excuse me a minute; I notice that on these photos the so called "mystery box" in front of the former Lookout Bar seems to be open at the sides, like a tunnel - I would say that does support the "it's there to protect the front" reason discussed elsewhere.
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Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #27 on: Dec 19, 2009, 09:27 AM »
Scroll down here
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewgal.asp?id=553
for a couple of photos during the re-paint, showing QE2 with both black and pebble grey hull

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Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #28 on: Dec 19, 2009, 04:54 PM »
I thought the gray hull made QE2 look more battered with all the rust streaks. Mauretania had the white scheme and it didn't look good on her neither.

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Re: QE2 in white/grey / Pebble Gray 1983 1984
« Reply #29 on: Dec 24, 2009, 08:54 AM »
Mauretania was painted white to go cruising in the 1930s. She soon showed rust streaks and once she was laid up at Southampton pending her sale to the breakers, the paint was never touched up. So pix of her going up to Rosyth show these huge rusty streaks all over her, but especially under the anchor hawse holes. They looked as if she were weeping. One of her crew members said she looked like a wedding cake gone wrong.

The P&O painted their ships white to avert the heat on their voyages through the tropics. Each ship had gallons of white paint aboard and one of the crew's jobs was to paint out rusty marks while the ship was in port.