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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #270 on: Feb 02, 2012, 07:00 PM »
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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #271 on: Feb 02, 2012, 08:08 PM »
Be scared , very scared, once the big boys close ranks, well ,    history tells us the rest

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #272 on: Feb 02, 2012, 08:38 PM »
Have a read of this...

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16823955

I have. 

Well spotted Rob.

On February 26, 2010, Costa Europa collided with a dock at Sharm al-Sheikh in Egypt, after attempting to dock in bad weather. The collision killed three crew members and injured at least four other people, three of them passengers. The incident tore a two-metre wide hole in the hull, and the ship was listed to port to lift the damaged area clear of the water.

If that sounds familiar, It says a lot about Costa and its operations. Now the media are linking the two incidents, it continues to denegrate confidence in the cruise industry. 

I remain angry about Costa and its captaincy.  High winds were blamed for this crash at Sarma El Sheik.  It was crew who were killed.

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/cruises/costa-europa-collides-pier-leaving-three-dead-20036

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Costa+Europa+collision&qpvt=Costa+Europa+collision&FORM=IGRE

There is an interesting topic here http://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,3999.0.html about high winds.  The truth is Cunard captains would not have risked berthing in high winds. There is NO DOUBT about this.  It seems Costa captains are cavalier enough to take ridiculous risks regardless of consequences.  I wonder how many Costa near misses there have been.

I am reminded of the ironic joke which does the rounds about the EU rules and regulations:  the Germans think them up, the Belgians write them down, the French ignore them , the British follow them to the letter and the Italians don't what they are.

 PS.  Europa was sold off to Thomson and is now called Thomson Dream.  When and if Concordia is refloated, who will buy it and resail it?  No doubt some profiteer will.


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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #273 on: Feb 02, 2012, 10:56 PM »
Captains only do what they can get away with!

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #274 on: Feb 02, 2012, 11:41 PM »

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #275 on: Feb 03, 2012, 02:23 AM »
From what I can see at the moment is that while the Capt appears to have done wrong, or, made mistakes, errors of judgement,  it would appear to me that there was a major, catastrophic electrical failure on the ship that added to the problems.  I think that Carnival is is trying to cut their losses by hanging the Capt out to dry! He may be totally at fault. But let the inquiries decide that. Carnival has already tainted any jury! It also appears to me that Carnival approved the "drive by's" on previous occasions, if they did not approve them they were aware of them as the ship deviated from its "APPROVED" course....that must have generated a report.
There is FAR more here than meets the eye.
NOTHING at the moment meets my "smell" test!
Rod, the catastrophic electrical failure was caused by the rock ripping through the hull, peeling the hull plates off like a cheese grater, and instantly flooding one of the engine rooms.  Have you seen those photos of the curled up steel plate on the ocean floor at the site of the impact.  Pretty incredible.  That engine room did not have a chance and hopefully it was unmanned at the time.  Looks like the hit could not have been in a worse location.  It appears that after the initial collision, some power was restored from the other engine room until that went down.  Unlike the Carnival Splendor catastrophic engine failure (crankshaft blowing a hole in the engine and sending oil throughout the engine room with resulting fire melting the common busbar wiring). the second engine room appears to have functioned properly.
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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #276 on: Feb 03, 2012, 03:03 AM »
Go to accidents and mishaps at sea for more about the MV Rabaul Queen (see my post above.)

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2389.0.html
« Last Edit: Feb 04, 2012, 11:49 AM by Lynda »

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #277 on: Feb 03, 2012, 09:26 AM »
Rod, the catastrophic electrical failure was caused by the rock ripping through the hull, peeling the hull plates off like a cheese grater, and instantly flooding one of the engine rooms.  Have you seen those photos of the curled up steel plate on the ocean floor at the site of the impact.  Pretty incredible.  That engine room did not have a chance and hopefully it was unmanned at the time.  Looks like the hit could not have been in a worse location.  It appears that after the initial collision, some power was restored from the other engine room until that went down.  Unlike the Carnival Splendor catastrophic engine failure (crankshaft blowing a hole in the engine and sending oil throughout the engine room with resulting fire melting the common busbar wiring). the second engine room appears to have functioned properly.

On the Channel Four programme, it was interesting to note, from the graphics used, that if just two sections of the hull had been breached, because of it's design, the ship would have stayed afloat
However the sinking was caused because the three 'zones' were breached.
The narrator described this as being a similar situation to that of Titanic.
(This is a distinct reminder of the graphics shown to us during a talk on stability given by Captain Camby on QM2 in 2011)

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #278 on: Feb 03, 2012, 09:30 AM »
Whats interesting, is that not all sections are the same size.  Any 2 of 7 could be holed and she'd stay afloat.  But it looks to me like the one's where she was struck, are narrower - presumably to protect engine room etc. - however the length of damage that it would take to open 3 sections, did not look at that huge.  If you actually think about it, it only needs to be a bit longer than the length of 1 section, to open 3 sections.
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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #279 on: Feb 03, 2012, 10:51 AM »
An interesting video about the submerged part of the wreck, shot by the Italian fire brigade.

http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/naufragio-giglio-costa-concordia/giglio-ultimi-interventi-i-sub-ispezionano-le-eliche/87119/85509

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #280 on: Feb 03, 2012, 02:06 PM »
Blogs / edited articles here that might be of interest
http://safewaters.wordpress.com/

and the web site of Professor Galea who asked 'have they looked in the lifts / elevators'?
http://fseg.gre.ac.uk/blog/


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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #281 on: Feb 03, 2012, 10:28 PM »
Of no great surprise to anyone, it is reported in the press that the Moldavan (where is that anyway) dancer, hostess, public address translator, dinner companion, etc, etc, has declared that she and Captain Schettino of the Concordia are in love.  She admitted being on the bridge at the time of the accident as he impressed her with his seamanship, or lack thereof.  She also requests that everyone understand what a great man he is and stop being mean to him. This rather unstartling admission came after divers found her lingerie and other effects in his cabin.   There was no immediate comment from Mrs. Schettino.   Anyone for tea?
« Last Edit: Feb 03, 2012, 10:53 PM by Jeff Taylor »

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #282 on: Feb 03, 2012, 10:55 PM »
Rod, the catastrophic electrical failure was caused by the rock ripping through the hull, peeling the hull plates off like a cheese grater, and instantly flooding one of the engine rooms.  Have you seen those photos of the curled up steel plate on the ocean floor at the site of the impact.  Pretty incredible.  That engine room did not have a chance and hopefully it was unmanned at the time.  Looks like the hit could not have been in a worse location.  It appears that after the initial collision, some power was restored from the other engine room until that went down.  Unlike the Carnival Splendor catastrophic engine failure (crankshaft blowing a hole in the engine and sending oil throughout the engine room with resulting fire melting the common busbar wiring). the second engine room appears to have functioned properly.

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #283 on: Feb 04, 2012, 12:52 AM »
Whats interesting, is that not all sections are the same size.  Any 2 of 7 could be holed and she'd stay afloat.  But it looks to me like the one's where she was struck, are narrower - presumably to protect engine room etc. - however the length of damage that it would take to open 3 sections, did not look at that huge.  If you actually think about it, it only needs to be a bit longer than the length of 1 section, to open 3 sections.

I don't know where the producers of the program got their information.  The Concordia actually has 20 watertight compartments.  The length of damage would have flooded at least four compartments.  The drawing in the program is just a cartoon, and does not represent the actual compartmentation of the ship.

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Re: The Costa Concordia tragedy!
« Reply #284 on: Feb 04, 2012, 06:02 AM »
Onc the ship is raised and dried out, the damages can be examined more fully. I hope the result is published and any lessons learned are implimated into the design of new ships as well as existing ones.