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Offline Bob C.

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #15 on: Oct 08, 2011, 06:02 PM »
An interesting comment was made in reply #21 in the "QE2 Portholes" board that said:

"There is really only one riveted strip on the QE2 body, where the steel hull meets the aluminium superstructure.

I beg to differ.
I think you will find that the bilge keels were rivetted to the hull."

Can anyone validate this?  I've never seen evidence of rivets in the photos I've seen of the bilge keels.

Here's the link to the portholes board: https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2219.msg38691.html#msg38691

Offline Rod

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #16 on: Oct 08, 2011, 10:45 PM »
A fellow Floridian doesnt trust me!

Offline Bob C.

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #17 on: Oct 09, 2011, 02:14 PM »
Sorry Rod, I have the utmost respect for a fellow Floridian and mariner. However, one of the guidelines I live by is Ronald Reagan's quote of "trust but verify"  ;)

This topic will at least give me an excuse to research bilge keel photos and look for rivets. I've always wondered how that component was/is integrated into the hull.

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #18 on: Oct 12, 2011, 11:26 PM »
I was surprised to see rivets below the waterline during my one and only time with QE2 in drydock: 1994 in Hamburg. The sensation and amazement of crawling under her while she was in a floating drydock remains with me today. I took pictures but not a professional so the top picture shows a line of rivets while the bottom one is zoomed in on them.

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #19 on: Oct 12, 2011, 11:32 PM »
Fascinating pictures, Michael! Now I wonder what those rivets were for...

And what are the openings in the hull?

Seeing her in dry dock must have been an amazing experience for all those who had that privilege...

Offline Rod

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #20 on: Oct 13, 2011, 10:08 AM »
Fascinating pictures, Michael! Now I wonder what those rivets were for...

And what are the openings in the hull?

Seeing her in dry dock must have been an amazing experience for all those who had that privilege...

Isabelle....square or rectangular holes in  the hull are usually sea water inlets...cooling water of some kind, sanitary water, fire pump etc...round holes are usually outlets from the same kinds of things....Then you had the sewage ejectors of course.

Being under the ship in drydock was truly an amazing feeling/sight.

Online cunardqueen

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #21 on: Oct 13, 2011, 03:52 PM »
Imagine all that weight above your head..not to mention the very unique view.
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

Offline Rod

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #22 on: Oct 13, 2011, 05:14 PM »
If I remember correctly, about 40' of the bilge keel was ripped off at one point. Maybe the reef in Nassau...you know the one that suddenly moved?

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #23 on: Oct 13, 2011, 06:57 PM »
Not forgetting the enormous damage suffered in August 1992 when she ran aground.

Offline Rod

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #24 on: Oct 13, 2011, 07:58 PM »
Come on Bob...am I right...don't forget a lobster dinner rides on this!

Offline Bob C.

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #25 on: Oct 13, 2011, 10:16 PM »
Whoa!  When did a lobster dinner get introduced here?

The first linked video here, https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2344.msg25689.html#msg25689, shows the bilge keels a few times at 3m 15s, 6m 33s and 9m 11s; however, nothing is crystal clear definitive.  The 6:33 shot is the best of the three and I can make out what looks to be a thick bead of weld along where the bilge keel intersects with the hull on the outboard side. 

Still looking for photos.

 

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #26 on: Oct 13, 2011, 11:09 PM »
Photos above for you Bob

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #27 on: Oct 13, 2011, 11:12 PM »
I mentioned the damage sustained in 1992. When QE2 was drydocked in Boston this is what the damage assessment discovered:

• Pieces of granite rock embedded in the hull cracks.

• The hull was dented for a length of about 300-feet and, in several places, there were small cracks a few inches thick.

• On the starboard side of the keel plate was a 21.34 (70-feet) fracture between frames 175 and 206 and a 5.49 metres (18-feet) fracture between frames 172 and 178.

• Five smaller fractures, 0.41 metres – 1.62 metres (16 – 24 feet) were found forward of the major fractures on the keel plate between frames 207 and 220.

• Two areas of damage were found on the starboard side to the bottom strakes ‘B’ (frames 210 – 236), ‘C’ (frames 141 – 221) and ‘D’ (frames 178 – 203).

• The bottom of the shell plating, together with the internal structure, was upset, deformed and damaged.

• One area of damage was found on the portside with ‘D’ strake at frames 178 – 193 being upset approximately 7 – 1 centimetres (3 – 4 inches) together with the attendant internal structural framing.

• The port bilge keel was heavily deformed over approximately 6.1 metres (20-feet between frames 151 and 163.

• There was evidence of paint scrapes due to contact starting at the bulbous bow and extending aft over a length of 400 feet aft and covering a width of 80 feet over the keel and either side of it and consisted of indents – some up to 240 feet in length and 14 inches deep – gouges and fractures. Paint scrapes and minor indents were noted on both sides as high as about two-feet above the keel plates (vertical measurement). The paint scrapes gradually transitioned into shallow upsets in the plate and then into large fractures on the flat keel.

• Twenty inner bottom tanks – mostly empty or carrying fresh water – had been damaged to some extent although one, No 10, an empty fuel tank, was the only tank to have leaked a small amount of oil residue at the time. The fractures in way of some of the indents were from 10 to 70 feet long and a 32 foot length of the port bilge keel had been severely damaged during the grounding.

• Internally some of the transverse floors and longitudinals (both structurally important upright ‘walls’ the comprise a ships cellular double bottom) were damaged by bucking and only in No 3 cargo hold was the deck bulging inboard, possible as a result of the flooding.

The fractures and damage ended abruptly just forward of amidships at approximately frame 172.

Rumours that the keel had been bent proved to be unfounded.

A thorough internal examination was undertaken and, fortunately, there was no damage to the stern, the propellers or the steering equipment.

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #28 on: Oct 13, 2011, 11:40 PM »
Thank you, Michael, for this comprehensive list.

It is astonishing that QE2 survived this damage, was repaired and continued on her way. She must have been a very precious asset for her owners to have taken on these repairs and expenses.

Sounds like it was a miracle that no one working below decks was injured in the event...

Offline Rod

Re: Below the Waterline
« Reply #29 on: Oct 14, 2011, 12:13 AM »
Doesnt want to buy the surf and turf for the site does he?