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Online Bob C.

Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #90 on: Jan 09, 2012, 03:08 AM »
Notice no boats.

And for the most part, no boat davits!

Offline Rod

Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #91 on: Jan 09, 2012, 03:20 AM »
And for the most part, no boat davits!

You are correct. They were all take off to be sandblasted...tested...recertified etc...bases crack checked.
This was I believe considered to be the "half life"refit of the ship.

Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #92 on: Jan 09, 2012, 11:03 AM »
Rod - the logistics of her refits must have been required an extraordinary amount of preparation.
Roughly speaking, how long in advance did the planning on the technical side begin?
And about the labour and expertise - the work was presumably overseen by Officers, and other assessors
and so who actually did the mechanical bits of the work - was it all done by crew, or did the shipyards provide a labour force too?
I guess it was some of each - I wonder what the ratio was?
Thanks again - and still hoping that you won't mind my asking!
Rosie

PS - This photo (enlarged from Bob's / Highlander's post) is superb
http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/from-the-cin-archives/5632-archives-qe-refit.html
The wind scoop's off - the 'exhaust' uptake pipes are visible - when were the big white globe things fitted(?) - (comms and radar stuff, i think?!)  and lots more besides....
So perhaps once things are uncovered, there's probably even more work that's found to be necessary - what hard work the speedy refits must be!
« Last Edit: Jan 09, 2012, 12:11 PM by Twynkle »

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Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #93 on: Jan 09, 2012, 11:37 AM »
Rosie i cant say what happens ashore for the planning.But for the 1994 refit we had people onboard travelling for days already during the World Cruise segments.We left then New York for Hamburg in November with no passengers onboard but only with a few crewmembers and about 700 labor force.Taking about the bar areas and because all the bars were renovated and some removed everthing had to be packed and taken down to the stores.This is done by crew.When the ship arrived in Hamburg the rest of the crew went done with the tenders and taking ashore.I was the one of last Barkeepers on oboard i went into the drydock with the ship.When rejoining the ship its the crew again each from each department to put the ship back into service.As an example when the ship left Hamburg not one single bar was ready for service.Thanks to the man power of us 40+ bar staff we made the miracle happen.But somethings were not in our hands.In the Wine Bar in the Maurentania Restaurant (which was relocated to Quarter Deck) that i took over i had not one single fridge working when passengers embarked in Southampton.I had big containers filled with ice and the wine in them.

Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #94 on: Jan 09, 2012, 11:57 AM »
Hi Louis
Thanks so much for this.
So on the Hotel side - for example, were the galley crew retained to feed you all.
How did the external working people get on with the crew?
I wonder - who delegated and supervised the work for the workers from 'shore-side'?
Expect you were very useful - speaking different languages!
Rosie

Online Lynda Bradford

Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #95 on: Jan 09, 2012, 06:37 PM »
Louis thanks for your insight into how the crew were utilised prior to the refit and their task getting service back to normal. 

I would be interested to know a bit about what happened to the art work and items of value during a large refit.  Did they go into storage?  It must have been a huge task to document stock during a refit. 
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Offline Rod

Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #96 on: Jan 09, 2012, 11:32 PM »
Rosie, the way it happened on the technical side:
Ships Engineers would say what they wanted done during the refit. Repairs, modernisations, suggestions for making the dept more efficient, save money get another 2 knots out of the tea boiler etc......That was a joke BTW.
Engineers bosses would pare down the list. Dont forget the Chiefs were the only ones who knew how many staff would be available, sometimes the staff did not know until a month before who was going to be in the drydock. Was it a union DD or non union etc. If it was union then our ships crew could only do "maintenance" items That would mean that Engineer Officers would have to do some of the other replacement jobs. Only jobs that were absolutely required to be done while the ship was shut down were considered.  After the jobs were accepted by the Chief then we would gather details: size of pipe, how many bolts etc, this was to enable the dockyard to give an estimate. The estimates would go up to London or wherever...and they would say: "HELL NO!"Would come back to the ship and we would say OK we will get this done in Honk Kong on the WC where labor was cheaper and half the pax would go overland to China. About half our requests were approved. Safety concerns came into play. Was my welding good enough to repair 900psi pipe etc. Did the repair have to be inspected. Could the ship operate while the repair was taking place. Think things like fire systems, watertight doors...etc etc.
In Bremerhaven, there was never any problem with the NUS doing work. Dockyard would also lend tools, drag a welding cable over for a wee job etc.
All dockyard work was inspected by ships staff....bigger the job the more gold braid inspected it!.
I have also seen many posts on various threads regarding the flooding, burst pipes, "Nigerias" as we left drydock. This was unavoidable. QE2 I read somewhere had over 20 miles of copper pipe,varying sizes, installed in 1968, copper pip and chloros/bleach do not mix...and in the salt air and you have a problem. During a big refit whent the water was shut down, scale, both inside and outside the pipes might break loose, especially when the temp changes from 140F to maybe 40 f...pipes contract and the scale breaks loose, thus creating a hole. ALL of these pipes in the pax area were hidden...if we couldnt see a leak...we couldnt report it and get it fixed. Nigerias were more embarrasing to the Hotel Service dept than you would ever think...You just went through a $30m refit and couldn't fix one lousy pipe.
My own opinion...they should have had every cabin every system up and running for 24 hours before the ship silled from the refit. BUT, that was above my paygrade!
Any other question...ASK.
Rod

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Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #97 on: Jan 10, 2012, 09:31 AM »
Rosie let me tell you a bit more and talking about my department.After leaving New York we were only 2 of 5 Restaurant Barkeepers onboard.The day inport was spending empty the Wine Bars (QG Wine Bar - here no renovation was done though and the Mauretania Wine Bar here removed and turned into the Restaurant Managers after the refit) and other Wine Bar called the Main Bar was still operational for the crossing.And during the crossing we slowly emptied it complety.The reasonn for it to be operational and for us 2 to be there ws because you had the bosses of those contracting companies sailing too.The Princess Grill was still in use for the 3 meals for them plus they had daily drink orders for their cabins and also you still had the high rank officers too they also had drinks delivered to their Quarters all this booze coming from this bar.So we were quite busy one stayed in the bar and the other done the walking.This trying to move around the ship to deliver those drinks also so complicated areas got blocked off some parts had no lights andeverthing dumped on those corridors.You cant imagine how complicated it can be to walk on Three Deck from A Stairway to the aft end during the refit. I recall on one section the cabins had no blukheads so you could walk through 3,4,5 cabins to get to the other side.

Talking about galley staff of course some stayed onboard to serve those PG guests and bakery was also up and running.The crew mess was fully staffed to serve the crew and those workforce men.

Offline CAP

Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #98 on: Jun 24, 2013, 02:57 PM »
Is there any difference between a refit and an overhaul?  I've seen many attributes to the ships time out of service for routine maintenance referred to as either overhaul or refit. 

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Re: QE2 refits
« Reply #99 on: Jun 24, 2013, 03:24 PM »
Good question - normally I would consider "refit" to mean refurbishment of the passenger accomodation with "overhaul" means the mechanical bits getting attention, but in the case of a ship presumably both are always done simultaneously?
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